Bad luck, I suppose

So yesterday, for some strange reason, I kept checking in to SoSH chat. The last time I checked was around 8:30, then I went downstairs and watched a movie with my wife.

Of course, just after I left the computer, it was announced that Schilling would do a live chat at 9:30. The entire transcript is here, as well as some forum Q&A that he answered.

Some interesting excerpts:

johnestmaximus: What do you know about Jason Varitek? How do you feel about having a catcher as meticulous as he is in preparation calling your games?

CurtSchilling38: I have heard that Jason is a meticulous planner, and does a ton of preparation, which was a seriously important selling point, and I was assured that, like pedro, they are very interested in him remaining here, which was VERY important to me, so I am pretty pumped to get to work with him, the Red Sox are flying out a nutritionist, at my request, and their video people, at their offer, this next week

Felix Mantilla asks how you think the adjustment will be coming back to the AL? will having to face a DH effect your daily prep?

CurtSchilling38: the DH will be a significant change, I’d love to face someone that sucks as bad as I do at the plate 3-4 times every start, so In my mind I am going to find one guy in each lineup that to me presents the easiest and most holes to exploit, and treat that guy as my “pitcher” over here

CurtSchilling38: and these scenarios you play out, have already been played out in their minds 100 times over, unfortunately its not rotisserie baseball and they cant just sign who they think is great and will help, there are a ton of factors that go into bringing people in and with the exception of one team I think the real good teams measure all thee things

Lanternjaw: what about the importance of context to an athlete? taking to power of the pen away from reporters?
CurtSchilling38: and it was actually more fun to read the naysayres
CurtSchilling38: that is important to me, that the fans do understand that most times we are not misquoted, rarely if ever atually, but its pretty damn easy to misinterpet us on a regular basis
CurtSchilling38: and I feel;
CurtSchilling38: that in this day and age the media, not all, but alot, have forgotten their responsibility to the fans
Lanternjaw: (claps loudly)
CurtSchilling38: they think its their job to scoop, instead of report, and somewhere in their the real story is lost and the personal agenda of that writer comes out
Once again, a MAJOR coup for SoSH. The man discovers the site while he is deciding to come or not, and then does a moderated chat on a Saturday night, the day after the deal is announced.

Absolutely HUGE day for RSN

Pedro, Schilling, and Lowe. That’s a HELLUVA 1-2-3. And a player who exposes himself as a very regular guy. It was mentioned that while he was in SoSH chat, he said something along the lines of “Other than the fact that I can strike you out often, and am in a different tax bracket, I’m not that much different than you”.

Schilling spent some time chatting with Red Sox fans on websites early Friday morning and it might have played a role in his decision.

“I don’t know what role it played,” said Schilling, 37. “It left a huge impression on me. I was overwhelmed at their passion, at their incredible desire for this to work out.”

He posted a lengthy message on the fan forum at the Red Sox’s website at 2:41 a.m. Friday. He debunked rumors that he demanded a guaranteed three-year extension at $15 million a year. Schilling also said he never indicated the Red Sox would have to pay him more than the Yankees.

“I was just blown over by the passion that these people had for this team,” he said. “It was funny. It was very cool. It was like logging onto a different country’s website.”

“I want to give Curt a lot of credit,” general manager Theo Epstein said. “Curt wasn’t out for every last dollar, far from it. He wanted to structure a deal that would allow the club to remain competitive for a World Series every year of his contract. That’s a rare request from a player.”

So does this make Foulke more or less inclined to come here? Hopefully more…


Apparantly, the extension wasn’t really necessary. Word from several sources is that Schilling accepted the deal; 2 year contract extenstion.

Details to come…

Yes..yes he did.

As I updated below, in my opinion the confirmation and addition of his Sons of Sam Horn account seals it for me. He spent a couple hours in SoSH chat, but requested all participants to keep what was said in there private.

The operator of SoSH would only divulge this:

Looks like the ball is in The Red Sox court and both sides seem reasonably optimistic that something will be worked out. Curt was very impressed with Theo and reports that Curt was ever seeking a 3-year extension in the $14-15 million range are absurd. 24 hour extension was considered a good thing.

Did Schilling post

UPDATE: Mr. Schilling is apparantly now a member over at SoSH. To me, this cements that it is him, as SoSH is membership by invitation, and I don’t think that the owner of the site would allow such a hoodwink to go on. Therefore, whatever proof he has that it IS Schilling would be solid, IMO.

Anyway, he’s in SoSH chat right now, but since nobody can get in, he had this to share:

understood, and if there is some way to change my username I will at some point. Not gonna add much to what I said last night in chat, and I am not sure how private this part of the forum is so…..
I don’t know what’s happening atm other than I am waiting on a response from the Red Sox side of things. I am expecting to hear soon that they have requested a 24 hour extension from 3pm today on the negotiations though, so we’ll see what happens at that point. I see that as a good sign, I think, and as I stated last night, please don’t believe what ya read, about 90% of what I have read is crap, the other 10 vaugely resembling truth. There is no deal is place, alot of things have been discussed, alot of things are agreeable to both sides, but nothing is firm and neither side has committed to anything concrete as of yet even though we have spent a ton of time talking over the past few days

On last night??

From this thread:

From: Curt38 2:41 am
To: ALL (1 of 37)

First off to any and all members of the media I would ask that if you are here, that this information remain here. I am posting this for the fans of this site. I know there are no hard fast rules to this kind of thing but it would be greatly appreciated if this post and its content remained on this site alone. I had hoped to post to the SoSH site since its private, but that was not possible.
I know it’ll be a stretch to believe this, but I am posting here for a few reasons. The main one is to squelch any and all of the stupid rumours that have surfaced since this whole ordeal began, and the second is to let you know where things stand.
1) I have not and will not demand a guaranteed three year extension.
2) I am not, have not, and will not be asking for a guaranteed contract of 15 million dollars per season
3) The reported quote in which I stated I did not want to play in Boston was not a misquote, but I do think it was very easy to take out of context given the question asked at the time. The question was posed to me after a certain member of the national media and respected baseball person stated I have said that my preference WAS to play for the Red Sox. I was a bit miffed at this report since it was completely false and there was at no time anything that could be attributed to me saying anything of the sort. So I was asked about the Red Sox, and remember this was prior to Terry Francona’s being named the front runner for the Red Sox job, and I replied that Boston was not an option. The Red Sox were not an option for pretty much that very reason, there was no manager in place, and that to me was a significant issue. That situation obviously changed over the past few weeks and with that so did my opinion of possibly coming to Boston. Whether I get the chance to finish my career in Boston or not, if Terry does end up with the job I sincerely believe you will all (well not all since there is NO WAY to please this entire group:) be glad Mr Epstein made the decision he did. Terry is a man of strong values and integrity, and I can’t imagine any player having issues with him on the field or off.
4) I am not going to offer any specifics on the ongoing discussions other than to tell you they are ongoing. Mr Epstein has been impressive at every turn of these talks. He obviously came very prepared and his preperation has been apparent every time we’ve met.
5) I never, and let me emphasize that word, never, said I would take less to play for the Yankees than I would to play for the Red Sox, nor did I ever say it would cost the Red Sox more to sign me than the Yankees. I am not in this to start, or be a part of, a bidding war. As of right now, within this window of opportunity, I am doing what I can do to determine if the Boston Red Sox organization and I can come to an agreement in which I would be allowed to finish my career as a Red Sox.
6) And yes, the one rumour that is true is that Mr Epstein and his assistant did have Thanksgiving dinner at our home. Shonda and I were a bit concerned, and impressed, that they would spend Thanksgiving away from their families, so we invited them on Wednesday night to have dinner with us on Thanksgiving, I am pretty sure they enjoyed the food.
This will play itself out however it is supposed to. I honestly cannot tell you one way or the other if there will be an agreement at this point, alot of issues have been resolved, but some are still out there to potentially be resolved. I don’t believe either side has laid a ‘deal breaker’ on the table, but having said that there are still some issues in front of us that could preclude a deal getting completed. If this does not happen I can assure you that it will not be for lack of effort from either party.
I can honestly say that the posts here have been pretty cool to read, like every other player in the big leagues it’s certainly nice to be wanted to this extent.
I hope everyone had a safe and happy Thanksgiving
God Bless
Curt Schilling

and after a few “Was that really him?” responses, this:

From: Curt38 3:37 am
To: emasterv (17 of 37)

Not sure how to make you believe it’s me. I have two dogs, Patton is my Rottweiler, and Shonda and the kids (Gehrig 8, Gabriella 6, Grant 4, Garrison 18 months) bought me a puppy for my birthday, kids named him Rufus, not sure why, but it stuck.
And btw, it’s Shonda :)
Not Shanda, Shondra, Shandra

Edited 11/28/2003 3:38:40 AM ET by Curt38

Seems authentic enough…I’ve read reports that Schilling is a serious computer nerd, so it isn’t out of the realm of possibility.

Anyway, today is deadline day.

Schilling to the Sox

Read latest here


Schilling, who pitched for the Phillies from 1992 to 2000, has one -?year left on his current contract, which calls for the Diamondbacks to-? pay him $12 million for 2004. Because the Diamondbacks are in the pro-?cess of pairing down their payroll, Schilling’s big contract and -?his not-so secret wish to be traded to the Phillies fueled speculation-? that the former ace would return to his former hometown team. Further-? adding to this was the comment to the Philadelphia Inquirer that he w-?ould not waive his no-trade clause to pitch in cozy Fenway Park for th-?e Red Sox. That boast left only the Phillies and the Yankees as the tw-?o top bidders for Schilling’s services. To top it off, an erroneo-?us and misguided report on a Philadelphia sports radio station that th-?e Phillies and Diamondbacks had agreed on a deal that would have sent -?highly-touted Cole Hamels and second baseman Chase Utley to Arizona, f-?anned the flames.

Assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. reported last week that s-?uch a trade was never in the works and that the Phillies and Diamondba-?cks were not working on a deal. On Monday, Schilling G?? who serves a-?s his own agent G?? confirmed this.

“The Phillies were not involved at all,” Schilling said. “I have-?n’t talked to the Phillies, but I think both sides thought neithe-?r side was being sincere. Take that for what it’s worth, I guess.-?” Nevertheless, Monday’s revelation pretty much means that Sch-?illing will never again pitch in a Phillies uniiform. “Considering th-?e fact that the only two teams that can talk about me over the next fo-?ur days are the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Boston Red Sox, I’d -?say (the Phillies chances) are pretty slim,” Schilling said.

“The Francona situation, obviously, changed the entire outlook I h-?ad on the Red Sox,” Schilling said. “He’s a huge attraction for-? me. He’s somebody I know and would love to play for. He’s s-?omeone I know can bring a lot of positive things to a talented club, w-?hich is something he never really had in Philly. It’s just someth-?ing that happened so stinkin’ fast on every side.”

“When I sit down G?? and I was talking to Shonda about this last nig-?ht G?? and assess the big picture, of all the teams that the Diamondback-?s had the permission to speak to about me, and you look at the attract-?ions in Philadelphia, it’s the possibility of playing for a team -?that could bring a World Series to a town that is dying for one and ha-?s only had one in the last century,” he said. “When you look at the -?Yankees, it’s adding to a tradition that incredibly storied and f-?ull of World Championships. When you look at the Red Sox, it’s th-?e challenge of possibly being a guy who helps them win their first Wor-?ld Series in a century. They are all pretty cool attractions to me. Wh-?at’s the biggest challenge is what I guess I’m looking at.”

Excerpts from here

UPDATE2: Too funny not to share. From Quintana Daydream on SoSH in the above linked thread:

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for Francona’s interview:

TF: I’ve learned a ton about using research and statistics in my time at Oakland

Theo: Nice. That’s a plus

TF: And I’ve always had a nice touch in the clubhouse

Theo: That’s important

TF: And remember, I was very young in my first stint. I was still learning

Theo: I understand being young better than anyone!

TF: Did I mention I can get you Schilling?

Theo: What number would you like to wear?
UPDATE3: from Red Averages in the above SoSH thread:

I watched the Celtics tonight and they sh-?owed Theo Epstein and Keith Foulke sitting in the crowd. Given Theo&#-?39;s calmness at Red Sox games I didn’t expect to see him showing-? any emotion. However, Theo and Keith looked to be having a great time-?. Both were laughing. Theo was pointing at something in the crowd…. -?he also appears to be growing a goatee. They both looked like they wer-?e having a lot of fun. It definitely didn’t look like a normal GM-?/player relationship. To me it looks like they may have struck a deal -?just judging by their attitude.

Just thought you would like to know. That thread is getting long.

Isn’t this insulting?

To both the Sox and DeMarco Hale?

Let me start this off by saying that I would have had no idea Hale was a minority had I not read it in the papers. Had I simply read that another candidate was interviewing Monday, I would have thought “What for? There hasn’t been an interview for almost 2 weeks, and it seems like they have already decided on Francona.”

But because the Sox have interveiwed nothing but white guys, they have to bring at least one more guy in. Granted, the Sox could have handled this better. They could have brought a qualified minority candidate in earlier in the process (and by what I’ve read, Hale is certiainly qualified…a former Minor League manager of the year.) so it didin’t appear that Hale’s interview is of the token variety.

Or maybe this policy needs to get chucked out the window.

Now before you start to think ill of me, go back to the way I started this…I would have had no idea Hale was a minority had I not read it in the papers. Had I read just his baseball background, I would have said “Seems like he has potential, but why now?” Candidates should be brought in because of their baseball lineage, not solely because of their genetic lineage. It seems insulting to everybody.


Francona it is?

The GlobeG??s Bob Hohler reports that Francona became the first managerial candidate to meet with principal owner John Henry last night, a sign that his hiring could be coming soon.

Meanwhile, separate reports in the New York Post, New York Daily News, and Newsday say that the Angels and Red Sox have recently expressed interest in pitcher Andy Pettitte, the Yankees free agent who won 21 games in 2003.

The likelihood of the lefty signing in Boston is slim, and in fact the Red Sox may simply be trying to drive up the price the Yankees will have to pay for his services. That is not the case in Houston, where the Astros met with PettitteG??s agents yesterday, according to the Houston ChronicleG??s Jose De Jesus Ortiz. Pettitte, 31, lives in Deer Park, a suburb of Houston. The Astros remain a very viable threat to the Yankees losing a valuable member of their pitching staff. GLOBE

I like that the Sox are driving up the price for the Yanks…but let’s hope they don’t drive Houston out of the picture completely.

New Managerial Candidate

The following was released to the press yesterday by Jim Prime, Bill Lee’s co-author:

Bill Lee, former pitcher for the Boston Red Sox and Montreal Expos, announces today that he is applying for the position of Manager of the Boston Red Sox. “I was up at 4:30 am today, working on my acceptance speech,” said the confident candidate.

Lee, a USC-educated southpaw turned author, boasts an impressive major league career record of 119-90 with a 3.62 ERA, but suggests that his real strength lies in his “human touch” and his uncanny ability to relate well with players at all levels of competence. “My first job as manager will be to remove the door of my office so there will be no barrier between me and the players. Next I will demand 3 days off on Memorial Day so that I can play at Doubleday field. I know the players and I will be sick of each other by then because familiarity breeds contempt.”

Aware that the current ownership puts great stock in “statistically-based management,” the Spaceman also claims to have a “keen understanding of the value of quantitative analysis” in game preparation. “I’ll bring in Zimmer to help with team preparation from A-Z. He’s already an authority on Preparation H.”

“I’ll manage by the book”, insists Lee. “Specifically, by the credo set out in The Little Red Sox Book which will be mandatory reading for all Red Sox players coaches, groundskeepers, and fans wishing to purchase season tickets. Baseball is already much too tarnished by greed and avarice; therefore 90% of all monies received on the sale of this book will go to my publisher, Triumph Books. The remaining 10% will be shared between me and my co-author, Jim Prime, although undoubtedly some will be donated to the Don Zimmer Home for Hemorrhoid Sufferers, located in Flushing, NY, in hopes that future pain-fueled attacks on superstar pitchers will be averted.

“I have direct managerial lineage from Dadeaux to Stengel to McGraw. I will manage with the humanity of Mother Teresa and the scientific precision of Stephen Hawking. Theo (Epstein) and I should get along fine. We both like music and nightclubs.”

Lee promises that major decisions, such as the removal of Pedro Martinez in late innings of crucial games, will be decided by a show of hands by fans at Fenway Park (during home games) and a roundtable discussion involving all Red Sox players, coaches, and Boston media during road games.
Citing his numerous qualifications for consideration by Red Sox management, Lee pointed to his stellar record as a Yankee killer and vowed to end the curse that has frustrated the Bosox since the sale of Babe Ruth to the Yanks.

If chosen to manage the Red Sox, Lee has also vowed to:

-Tear down the Green Monster and build a 62-foot rubber wall in right field
-Hire Richard Simmons as fitness coach
-Insist that Nomar stop fidgeting
-Install Salem witch Laurie Cabot as pitching coach
-Make Luis Tiant the third base coach
-Hire Dan Shaughnessy and Gordon Edes as co- Press Secretary

In a city where the media can make or break a manager, Lee offers an olive branch – of sorts – to the sports journalists of Boston. “I will have a local sportswriter in the dugout for each game, so the players would have something to spit tobacco juice on.”

An interview with lee has not yet been announced by Red Sox ownership. “All I want is a chance, just one chance to prove myself. Oh yeah, and $2 million in Canadian money in case I have to make a run for the border.”

Jim Prime,
Official agent for the Committee to Appoint Bill Lee Manager of the Boston Red Sox
For more information, and to arrange an interview with the candidate, please contact me at:
E-mail: at nelson dot com

(thanks to SoSH poster 17k)